Iisus, în grădina Ghetsimani, vorbeste cu Dumnezeu. De unde știm noi ceea ce a vorbit Isus cu Tatăl, dacă toți apostolii dormeau și el se îndepărtase de locul unde aceștia erau adunați?
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Multe din intamplarile lui Isus nu au fost scrise in Biblie, doar ceea ce a considerat Dumnezeu ca este esential pentru noi si astfel i-a inspirat pe apostoli sa scrie. 2Petru1:20,21.Ioan21:25
RăspundeApostolii erau insa analfabeti...
Răspunde Nu aveau instruire superioara, dar nu erau analfabeti, pentru ca inca din copilarie ei erau invatati de parinti sa scrie si sa citeasca.
Serios? te rog sa verifici cat de raspandit era analfabetismul in perioada lui Iisus Hristos! Iar daca tu chair crezi ca niste pescari stiau sa scrie pe vremea aceea, atunci...
Bible scholar, Bart Ehrman on Literacy in the First Century:
"Several significant studies of literacy have appeared in recent years showing just how low literacy rates were in antiquity. The most frequently cited study is by Columbia professor William Harris in a book titled Ancient Literacy. By thoroughly examining all the surviving evidence, Harris draws the compelling though surprising conclusion that in the very best of times in the ancient world, only about 10 percent of the population could read at all and possibly copy out writing on a page. Far fewer than this, of course, could compose a sentence, let alone a story, let alone an entire book. And who were the people in this 10 percent? They were the upper-class elite who had the time, money, and leisure to afford an education. This is not an apt description of Jesus’s disciples. They were not upper-crust aristocrats.
In Roman Palestine the situation was even bleaker. The most thorough examination of literacy in Palestine is by a professor of Jewish studies at the University of London, Catherine Hezser, who shows that in the days of Jesus probably only 3 percent of Jews in Palestine were literate. Once again, these would be the people who could read and maybe write their names and copy words. Far fewer could compose sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and books. And once again, these would have been the urban elites." ~Source: Leading Bible Scholar: Ehrman, Bart D. (2012-03-20). Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Kindle Locations 702-712). Harper Collins, Inc. Kindle Edition.
In Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Bart D. Ehrman explains:
"[A]ll four Gospels are written in Greek, by authors who were reasonably well educated and literate. In comparison with most other persons in the Roman world, all four authors, in fact, evince a high level of education. Something like 90% percent of the general population was completely illiterate — that is, unable to read and write at all.
To be sure, the Gospels are not among the literary masterpieces of antiquity. Their style, for example, is fairly rough overall (Mark is probably the worst, Luke the best). But it’s not easy to write a book, even for well-educated people today, in our highly literate and markedly literary world…
For someone to pull it off in antiquity required a good deal more than the average amount of literary training. And training of that cand required leisure time and money, since the vast majority of people had to work very long days. […] In the end, it seems unlikely that the uneducated, lower-class, illiterate disciples of Jesus played the decisive role in the literary compositions that have come down through history under their names."
~The bible admits that some disciples were illiterate and could not in fact write. These common men could not have left an authoritative writing if their souls depended on it. The New Testament was written in highly literate Koine Greek.
Peter and his companion John, also a fisherman, were agrammatoi, a Greek word that literally means "unlettered," that is, "illiterate."
Acts 4:13 - King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus."
Other versions of Acts 4:13 ( http://bible.cc/acts/4-13.htm ) describe them as:
unschooled, ordinary men
uneducated, common men
uneducated and untrained men
Ei au fost numiţi „fără carte şi de rând" deoarece nu primiseră instruire religioasă în şcolile rabinice.
Iată cum comentează The New Interpreter’s Bible această afirmaţie: „După cât se pare, expresiile folosite aici nu trebuie înţelese literalmente, în sensul că Petru [şi Ioan] nu ştiau să scrie şi să citească şi nu erau instruiţi. Ele pur şi simplu scot în evidenţă diferenţa frapantă de clasă socială dintre apostoli şi cei ce îi judecau.
Scrierile acestor doi exponenţi neînfricaţi ai creştinismului au atestat mai târziu faptul că erau nişte bărbaţi inteligenţi, având o instruire aleasă, fiind capabili să predea în mod inteligibil Scripturile. Instruirea lor cuprindea şi cunoştinţe practice în ce priveşte asigurarea necesităţilor materiale ale familiei lor. Ei erau colegi de pescuit, o activitate evident rentabilă.
Bible scholar, Bart Ehrman on Literacy in the First Century:
"Several significant studies of literacy have appeared in recent years showing just how low literacy rates were in antiquity. The most frequently cited study is by Columbia professor William Harris in a book titled Ancient Literacy. By thoroughly examining all the surviving evidence, Harris draws the compelling though surprising conclusion that in the very best of times in the ancient world, only about 10 percent of the population could read at all and possibly copy out writing on a page. Far fewer than this, of course, could compose a sentence, let alone a story, let alone an entire book. And who were the people in this 10 percent? They were the upper-class elite who had the time, money, and leisure to afford an education. This is not an apt description of Jesus’s disciples. They were not upper-crust aristocrats.
In Roman Palestine the situation was even bleaker. The most thorough examination of literacy in Palestine is by a professor of Jewish studies at the University of London, Catherine Hezser, who shows that in the days of Jesus probably only 3 percent of Jews in Palestine were literate. Once again, these would be the people who could read and maybe write their names and copy words. Far fewer could compose sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and books. And once again, these would have been the urban elites." ~Source: Leading Bible Scholar: Ehrman, Bart D. (2012-03-20). Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Kindle Locations 702-712). Harper Collins, Inc. Kindle Edition.
In Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Bart D. Ehrman explains:
"[A]ll four Gospels are written in Greek, by authors who were reasonably well educated and literate. In comparison with most other persons in the Roman world, all four authors, in fact, evince a high level of education. Something like 90% percent of the general population was completely illiterate — that is, unable to read and write at all.
To be sure, the Gospels are not among the literary masterpieces of antiquity. Their style, for example, is fairly rough overall (Mark is probably the worst, Luke the best). But it’s not easy to write a book, even for well-educated people today, in our highly literate and markedly literary world…
For someone to pull it off in antiquity required a good deal more than the average amount of literary training. And training of that cand required leisure time and money, since the vast majority of people had to work very long days. […] In the end, it seems unlikely that the uneducated, lower-class, illiterate disciples of Jesus played the decisive role in the literary compositions that have come down through history under their names."
~The bible admits that some disciples were illiterate and could not in fact write. These common men could not have left an authoritative writing if their souls depended on it. The New Testament was written in highly literate Koine Greek.
Peter and his companion John, also a fisherman, were agrammatoi, a Greek word that literally means "unlettered," that is, "illiterate."
Acts 4:13 - King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus."
Other versions of Acts 4:13 ( http://bible.cc/acts/4-13.htm ) describe them as:
unschooled, ordinary men
uneducated, common men
uneducated and untrained men
"Apostolii erau insa analfabeti..." - Misto. Toti? Unde ati gasit asta? In afara de carticica prostanacului, care e zero barat, pana ca si eu o pot combate fara sa fac apel la surse... 
Corectie: "agrammatos" NU are ca singur sens analfabetismul. Termenul ii descria pe cei fara o educatie formala in scolile rabinice. Ca sa intelegeti ce spun, "carturarii", invatatorii legii, erau "grammateus".
grammateus
Educatie formala? si cum se spune "analfabet" in greaca?
Ba se pot interpreta in sensul ca apostolii erau analfabeti. pentru aceasta ajunge sa analizam dimensiunea sociala a imperiului roman si a tinutului din asia minora.
Nu iti spun cum se spune in greaca. Iti spun cum arata in Romania: ia o oglinda si uita-te in ea.
Divaghezi de la subiect
Doar in situatia in care trebuie sa cobor nivelul, asa cum fac pentru tine...
Pentru ca la asemenea nivele, cuvintele nu-si mai au rostul, si se merge pe parte intuitiva, si lucrurile se pot studia altfel.( trecutul, prezentul si viitorul se comprima intr-o clipa eterna...)
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