Teoriile conspirationiste nu se bat cap in cap? Biserica controleaza prin dogme, statul american prin globalizare, masonii americani, illuminati si evreii prin bani. Totusi, cine controleaza lumea si de cat timp? Sau sunt toti la un loc?
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@costymaximus
Illuminati au aparut la sfarsitul secolului 18. In momentul acela, se vorbea demult in Europa de conspiratia evreiasca. Sa nu mai vorbim de influenta pe care o avea Biserica in Evul Mediu. Deci care e treaba?
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@mayasul
Deci totul a aparut in epoca prebabiloniana. O singura organizatie controleaza totul, inclusiv antichitatea. Cezar probabil era mason, ok. Dar atunci de ce doi piloni esentiali ai teoriei conspiratiste, Crestinismul si Iudaismul au intrat in conflict? De ce erau acuzati evreii de deicid, infanticid si conspiratie, si de ce erau executati din ordinul Bisericii? Vreau argumente.
Stupizi iti dau doar cand imi dai tu. Ti-as da "schizofrenic", dar nu a trecut Raluca optiunea asta la voturi. Dar daca mai apar multi ca tine pe aici, ii voi sugera o schimbare.
@mayasul
Deci o teorie a conspiratiei cade. Confreriile sioniste pentru controlul lumii sunt taiate de pe lista. Pacat, e cea mai longeviva teorie a conspiratiei.
@costymaximus
Da-mi te rog o singura dovada arheologica sau codicologica autentica ca cei care se inchinau la Pazuzu se autodenumisera "iluminati" si doreau sa controleze lumea. La fel si mayasul. O singura dovada.
@mayasul
Nu pot sa demonstrez asta? Tu demonstrezi asta! Ti-am cerut dovezi. Vino cu material arheologic, paleografic, epigrafic. Pana acum: „zero arguments", „psychogenic fallacy"!
Si, dragul meu, nu mai trimite lumea sa citeasca carti (mersi liviu ca mi-ai atras atentia). Tot timpul cand ai facut sugestii celorlati sa citeasca Dexul sau alte dictionare, te-ai facut de ras. Cand ai facut taraboi referitor la diferenta de sens intre „illuminati" si „iluminaţi", ti-am dat papara, cu surse bibliografice, adica DOVEZI. „Ateu" nu ai stiut ce inseamna, desi faceai apel la Dex. La fel nu ai stiut ce inseamna „apocalipsa" in greaca. Daca tot incerci sa ne spui ceva, nu vrei macar sa incerci sa pari cult?
Iar despre mine vorbesti cu aceeasi necunostinta cu care pari sa vorbesti despre destinul societatii. Nu ai habar nici de unul, nici de altul, dar, paradoxal, ai certitudini (!). Sunt multi la ospiciu care au certitudinea ca sunt Napoleon. Sa aiba toti dreptate?
@mayasul
Dragul meu incapabil, despre problema cu illuminati-iluminati nu mai are rost sa discutam. Ti-am aratat ca oameni de cultura folosesc cuvantul "iluminati", ti-am spus cum se numesc cartile. Dar cum spunea si liviu, argumentele nu conteaza pentru tine. Toti autorii de carte romani, care au abordat subiectul, sunt niste prosti, pentru ca si-au permis sa traduca termenul in limba romana. Si tu esti singurul care esti dastept, pentru ca folosesti doar termeni luati de pe net, in limba engleza. Asupra cuvantului ateu, scumpul meu amnezic, te-ai exprimat altfel, dupa cum bine a remarcat un alt utilizator. Nu mai conteaza.
Arata-mi si mie unde scrie ca apocalipsa, in greaca, inseamna schimbare.
Despre ce stiu eu si ce nu stiu nu mai are rost sa iti atrag atentia. E a nu stiu cata oara cand tu stii ce eu nu stiu. Fantastic. Cate certitudini!
Referitor la fabulatia pe care ai insirat-o aici, luata de la Sf. Google. Dovezi materiale arheologice, codicologice si epigrafice nu asta inseamna. Sa-ti explic: trebuie sa vii cu o tablita din mileniul 2-3-4 i.d.Hr, un pergament din antichitate, un text sapat pe un lapidar, o oala, sa spui la ce muzeu se afla, materialul etc. Astea sunt dovezi! Tu vii cu elucubratii si povesti romantate scrise de unii si altii la mii de ani dupa. Pana acum, ai 0(zero) dovezi! Arata-mi o singura dovada autentica, UNA SINGURA, care sa ateste ca "illuminati" s-au infiintat in era prebabiloniana si doreau de atunci sa controleze lumea. Pana atunci, o sa lipesc linkul asta la toate interventiile tale pe TPU, sa vada toata lumea ce dovezi adevarate are baiatul nostru.
@mayasul
Tu vii cu Stela lui Naram-Sin ca argument pentru continuitatea "illuminati"? 
Dragul meu, am predat arta sumero-akkadiana, nu intra in subiectul asta.
Si acum, ce legatura are turnul Babel cu imaginea asta? Si doar Nimrod era imperialist, prietene? Ia vezi de persani, care e treaba cu ei. Si apoi romanii etc.Iti multumesc pentru interventie. Acum am tot ce trebuie ca sa le arat si celorlalti ce dovezi aveti voi, "deconspirationistii".
In coltul albastru: HepHap! In coltul rosu: mayasul! Pariurile sunt deschise!
HepHap, tu ai limbrici, omule. Zau asa. Stii vorba aia: Ce-si face omul cu mana lui...
Teoria e una, practica e cu totul altceva. Mentionez ca raspunsul nu e pentru mayasu!
Ce este cert e ca nu se prea poate face mare lucru in sistemul financiar mondial. Daca se incearca crearea unei probleme financiare oricarui stat nu inseamna nimic altceva decat ca se vor provoca cutremure mai mari sau mai mici in tot sistemul.
Despre americani s-a vazut cat de bine cotroleaza sistemul financiar si nu numai. Fiecare stat, fiecare consortiu, pana la urma fiecare individ are dorinta ascunsa de a accede la putere, iar daca are acces la putere sa si-o amplifice.
Marea nenorocire ar fi ca toate aceste grupuri, consortii, sa se uneasca si sa nu mai existe posibilitatea de echilibru. Ceva de genul unei super dictaturi mondiale. Spre linistea noastra, oamenii sunt in asa fel construiti incat abia stau impreuna o vreme sot cu sotie, frate langa frate. Uitativa si la noi in Romania cat de lunga a fost viata unor afaceri puse pe baza de parteneriat. Nu se vor putea uni niciodata acele forte care ar putea controla pamantul.
Eu cred ca Papa.Detine secrete care ar putea schimba fata lumii. Cel putin asa se aude pe la colturi
Si daca ar fi asa, un singur om nu ar putea controla lumea.Si oricum cine s-ar lega la cap cu toti nebunii de pamantenii? Eu una nu.Il las pe Dumnezeu sa-si faca treaba.Bine hai si pe ET
Discuti foarte aprinse, dar nu am sa intervin decat punctual : Apocalipsa inseamna: descoperire, revelatie, de altfel in engleza Apocalipsa se numeste "Book of the Revelation of John". Cat despre cine controleaza lumea este destul de simplu, sunt forte umane si nonumane care fac acest lucru. Din punct de vedere crestin am avea urmatoarea ierarhie: 1 Dumnezeu in primul rand (intervine doar ca restul ocupantilor sa nu distruga pamantul, in apararea celor care lucreaza pentru El si indeplinirea planului de salvare a celor care-L accepta.) 2 Satana care conduce prin adepti sai (uni constienti si alti, marea majoritate fara sa stie) din care fac parte toate gruparile mai sus enumerate: masoni, iluministi, new age, imperiul papal, cabali, spiritisti (parapsihologi de toate natile si practicile) care cu voie sau fara voie conlucreaza catre telul suprem al Satanei, accesul la toata conducerea omenirii dintr-un punct printr-o interfata umana pentru distrugerea finala.
"mayasul a răspuns: Bai duduie, masonii au facut : 1. religia
2.sistemul monetar 3. massmedia " asta a fost primul extras
"mayasul a răspuns: @hephap: Arunci cu acuzatii desi sunt false. Am demonstrat faptul ca ateu reprezinta negarea oricarei divinitati, conform dex. Eu nu neg divinitatea." asta este al doilea extras si acum nelamurirea mea: ce a fost mai intai oul sau gaina?
Pai ori una ori alta, sau nu negi divinitatea sau masoni au INVENTAT RELIGIA? Una cu alta NU SE PUPA! Sau. ne faci sa credem ca domnia ta crezi intr-o inventie masonica? Esti mason? Zi-ne si noua o data adevarul, in ce crezi matale sau crezi in ceva si ne "derutezi"? Sfatul meu, incearca rubrica divertisment.
Cui ii pasa?! Tot 150. 000 de morti sunt in Haiti, Africa moare in continuare de foame, Romania se zvarcoleste in saracie etc.Cu ce ma incalzeste ca stiu cine conduce lumea? Daca am sti, crezi ca am putea face ceva sa ne fie mai bine?
@HepHap
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
Degeaba aduci argumente, ca te contreaza rapid @mayasul: "treaba e ca nu esti informat.", "mai citeste, mai deschide o carte, mai cauta". Nu ti se pare amuzant? 
Vezi ca te-au pus pe o pista falsa? Au scos capul ei de abia la 1 mai 1776 dar erau mai demult creati. Uite aici http://www.descopera.ro/......-din-umbra
Dar v-ati gandit, asa teoretic, ca poate nu suntem condusi de nimeni si fiecare isi vede de treaba lui? Poate ca noi cautam sa gasim un conducator pentru ca de capul nostru nu putem face prea mare lucru? Exemple? Miliarde, sa presupunem ca regimul comunist nu cadea... (sunt impotriva comunismului total, dar punem cazul ) probabil ca acum nu mai aveam datoriile astea asa de mari la FMI, apoi poate ca am fii fost si noi pusi macar prin jumatatea clasamentului cu privire la econimiile tarilor europene. Dar am vrut democratie, sa nu mai fim condusi de un om, de un tiran si de sotia sa nebuna, ei bine uite ca acum nu ne mai conduce un om, ci ne conduce o ditamai institutia FMI. Tot ce se va intampla de acum cu tara noastra va fi monitorizat de acest FMI. Sincer sa fiu probabil ca daca acum ar fi fost comunismul (traditional ) nu oamenii care au facut parte si din regimul comunist, as fii incercat din rasputeri sa fug din tara pentru ca nu ma simt bine stiind ca am ratie la orice, mai degraba mor de foame decat sa stiu ca am ratii. In fine, eu m-am legat foarte tare de comunism pentru ca este mai recent si nu trebuie sa rescolesc tot netu ca sa aflu o informatie din sec 18
@Mayasul Iti sugerez sa faci rost de niste carti despre francmasonerie: istoric, rituri, organizare si cel mai important SCOPURI(pe astea tu chiar nu le poti pricepe).
Daca nu ai, da-mi adresa ta de email si-ti voi trimite eu cartile.
@HepHap Te sustin in aceasta disputa.
Numai bine!
Poate o sa gasesti un raspuns daca citesti cartea,, Secretul suprem 2,, http://ipotezesiteorii.blogspot.com/2009/12/secretul-suprem-2.html
@mayasule Ortodoxia n-are treabă cu masoneria. Sectele de după, au legătură. 
Aceeasi problema, sfanta prostie omeneasca ce nu stie cu toata intelighentia religioasa, stiintifica, ateista, scientologica etc, ce sa vada si ce sa urmeze sau sa sa nu urmeze in viata aceasta.filozofi,iluminati, bancheri, smecheri, TPU-isti...aiuriti pe care lumea nu mai poate sa-i incapa.debordeaza toti de atata intelepciune incit ne ducem la vale cu toata viteza, dar ne dam, mari.cat mai mari.cine e cal mai mare?
Sinteti niste nestiutori neinformati si agiamii. Iluminismul a aparut in epoca de piatra. Atunci cind un traznet a aprins peruca unui om al grotelor si a luminat pestera cu capatzina lui arzinda, atunci a aparut si iluminismul. Nestiutorilor care sinteti. Si repet, sintem condusi de martieni si Elvis inca traieste
@hephap : divide and conquer este legea lor. stii ce inseamna asta?
au pornit si razboaie si conflicte intre asa zisele opozitii religioase.
totul a inceput in egiptul antic, faraonii si-au pastrat o linie de sange unica prin incest apoi a fost facut imperiul roman dupa ce au migrat in europa. apoi imperiul britanic apoi sua.
desi o sa imi zici ca afirmatiile mele sunt nefondate sa stii ca nu poti sa demonstrezi asta. SUA este controlata de imperiul vechi britanic care este astazi la putere si peste tot o singura linie de sange controleaza planeta, illuminati.
Cauta : merovignian bloodline hierarchy
ancient freemasons
nimrod the first mason
@hephap: Dragule, stilul tau e pe cat de ignorant pe atat de simplist.
Arunci cu acuzatii desi sunt false. Am demonstrat faptul ca ateu reprezinta negarea oricarei divinitati, conform dex. Eu nu neg divinitatea.
Nu intelegi ce inseamna ''psychogenic fallacy'' pentru ca este o fraza pe care nu o vei gasi in dictionare, intreaba un lingvist american.
Illuminati si Iluminati provin din limbi diferite si reprezinta lucruri diferite, Illuminati cu 2 l reprezinta societatea francmasonica ce conduce lumea. Iluminati este la plural si reprezinta un grup de individ iluminati, illuminism este un termen separat si nu are legaturi cu ILLUMINATED.
Apocalipsa provine din greaca si inseamna revelatie sau schimbare.
Ia aici argumente :
The Merovingian Bloodline
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This page has been prepared to provide some type of table of contents to the various items which ‘will be included in this chapter "The Thirteenth Satanic Bloodline". In my writings this bloodline has been interwoveni into the text of many articles, but It hasn’t been singled out very much. Although a great deal has been mitten by this author on this final family, to pull out articles which concentrate on it solely is difficult. After assembling some pages on it, a few words of explanation were still needed. Allow me to briefly explain those items which were selected:
· An article on the top family that appeared in Feb. ‘95 newsletter on page 73.
· An appendix to the Be Wise As Serpents book about the British Royalty. The British Royalty are tied in with the 13th Bloodline.
· Many of the American political leaders have been related to the British Royalty incl. George Bush and Dan Quayle. A flier from a Christian conference is Included showing who the speakers are.
· Finally, a little of the genealogical information I assembled on the Mormon leaden is given. This was included in the Be Wise As Serpents book to give people an idea of how the Mormon leadenhip ties back in with the leading occult bloodlines of the Merovingian dynasty. The chart for LDS President Albert Smith is only about 1/3 typed out. The remainder of Albert Smith’s (as well as other Mormon leaden) genealogical work is in a file in some unknown box at my house.
This bloodline is harder to track because it weaves in and out of the other 12 bloodlines. There are many surnames which are part of this bloodline (Including the Smith family), however I can give one very prominent one, the Sinclair family. We know that Satan is the father of all lies, and Christ told the religions leaden who went out to destroy him that they were from the seed of Satan.
· 2nd Feature Article--THE 13TH ILLUMINATI BLOODLINE.
The 13th Illuminati Bloodline is where the Anti-Christ will come from. This bloodline believes that it has both the Holy Blood of Jesus and the blood (or seed) of Satan in its bloodline. In my Be Wise As Serpents book, I make reference to this bloodline but I never really took the time to explain it completely. In fact I don’t fully understand this bloodline myself. I encourage those who want to learn more about this bloodline to study the following books:
Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln, Leigh & Balgent
The Messianic Legacy
TheTemple & the Lodge
Crusaders of the Grail by J.R. Church The Anti-Christ King--Juan Carlos by Dr. Charles R. Taylor
This bloodline is so extensive in its many branches that its membership takes in many of the Presidents of the United States, including George Hush and George Washington. The reason that I gave the geneologies of the some of the Mormon Presidents to people back in 1991 in my Be Wise As Serpents book is that all of the Mormon Presidents in history, whether RLDS or LDS, trace their blood back to this 13th bloodline. Within the Illuminati rituals, the emphasis of the 13th bloodline is that they are the seed of Satan. As their secret story goes, they are the direct descendents of Jesus’s spiritual brother Lucifer. Since the Freeman family and the Rothschild family have members who are also in the 13th bloodlIne, It is unclear to me how interwoven the "seed of Satan" is.
Some of the earilest attempts to trace the seed of Satan were some books which did extensive research on the Tribe of Dan and the decendents of Cain.
"The Curse of Canaan" is an interesting book along with its mate World Order by Eustice Mullins. One of the books which I looked with difficulty for before finding it, was Gerald Massey’s A Book of the Beginning (Secaucus, NJ: University Books, Inc., 1974.) The book goes in and shows in detail how the inhabitants of the British Isles came originally from Egypt. This is Important because (as this newsletter has always contended) the Druidism of the British Isles was simply a derivative from the Egyptian Satanic witchcraft/magic of Ancient Egypt. The Egyptian word Makhaut (clan or family) became the the Irish Maccu and the Maccu of the Donalds (clan of Donalds) now reflected in the name MacDonald. The sacred keepers of the Clan-Stone in Arran, were also known by the family name of Clan-Chattons. Another word for clan is Mack and the Clan-Chattons were also known as Mack-Intosh. Ptah-rekh the name of the Egyptian god Ptah was passed down to us by the Druids adopting the name Patrick, which sounded similar. St. Patricks day then is a Christianized form of a druidic holiday which originally had its origins in Egypt. The All-Seeing Eye can be found on ancient buildings in ancient Chaldea, in ancient Greece, and in ancient Egypt. The MI-seeing eye represents Osirus. Osirus had debauched revelries (saturualias) celebrated in his honor. The temples in Arabia clear back in the time that Moses had his black father-in-law Jethro used the all-seeing-eye to represent the false satanic trinity of Osiris, Isis and Horus of Egypt. This MI-Seeing Eye pops up everywhere the Illuminati has been. In the Winter Palace Square in St. Petersburg, Russia is that Illuminati all-seeing eye on top of a pyramid. You will also see it in the old Mexican Senate Buildlng which is now a museum in Mexico City. You will find this on the back of our one dollar bill, and you will find the all-seeing eye was placed on Ethopian stamps when they got a communist government in power.
The Illuminati is the continuation of the Mystery Religions of Babylon and Egypt. And the bloodlines of the Illuminati go back to people who at one time lived in Babylon and Egypt. Just how the House of David (the Satanic one) and the Holy Blood of the 13th family fit in with everything else in history I can’t say. I’m sure It would be a big story to tell If I knew. But I do feel that somehow the 13th Illuminati family does goes back to ancient times. Is this via the Tribe of Dan or via some Druidic bloodline or is it via the Merovingians or is it via all three’ And where do the Guelphs and Black Nobility fit Into this? Whatever the case, the 13th bloodline has amassed a great deal of power and wealth on this planet. The 13th bloodlIne lacks nothing to bring forth their Anti-Christ who will appear to have all the correct credentials. I would not even be surprised if their Anti-Christ in order to appear real will expose another Anti-Christ. The 13th bloodline has kept its geneologies very secret. I would welcome more Input from informed persons about this bloodline. The tribe of Dan was prophesied to be the black sheep of the nation of Israel which would bite the other tribes of Israel. The tribe of Dan had the snake and the eagle as its two logos. The tribe of Dan left its cailing card all over Europe as it migrated west in the names of many places. The tribe of Dan ruled the Greeks, the Roman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian empire and many others which used the eagle as its logo.
Great Britian is the mother country of Satanism.1 Scotland has long been an occult center. The national symbol of Scotland is the dragon (the snake), and for years the chief of Scotland was called the dragon. The Gaelic language is an important language for Satanism, although English and French are also use extensively by the Illuminati. The planning sessions for world takeover that some ex-Satanists experienced were held in french. The British Royal Family have long been involved with the occult. For more information on this there is a detailed examination of the Royal family and the occult in the book The Prince and the Paranormal -the Psychic Bloodline of the Royal Family by John Dale (1987).2 They have also been actively involved with Freemasonry. (See the chart.) British MI6 has been a major vehicle for the Satanic hierarchy working behind the secret veil of Freemasonry to control world events.3 British MI6 is the most secret intelligence organization in the world.4 (It is properly known as British Secret Service not to be confused with the U.S. agency by that name but performing a different function entirely.) The British Royalty have served as important figureheads to British Freemasomy lending credibility and respectibility. British Freemasonry has managed to keep itself free of much of the criticism that the other national masonic groups have brought on themselves. However, much of the credibility of British Freemasonry is undeserved. True, British Freemasonry is what it portrays itself to the public for the lower levels. But., the lower level Masons by their dues and activities are unwittingly supporting an organization that is led by Satanists at the top. An example of the subterfuge constantly exercised on the public by Freemasonry is a book purportedly written by a non-Mason entitled The Unlocked Secret Freemasonry Examined. The book portrays itself as an unbiased and complete expose of Freemasonry. The book states unequivicably that the Masonic order called Societas Rosicrucian in Anglia (sic] is only open to Christians and is a "Christian Order." However, Edith Star Miller reprints copies of a number of letters from the chief of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia which show that the English Grand Masonic Lodge, the SRIA, the OTO, and the German illuminati are all working together.5 She briefly explains how she obtained the letters.
Nimrod : http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/nimrod-tower.jpeg primul mason din babilon.
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